Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/09/2003 01:30 PM Senate JUD

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                HB  46-PRIMARY ELECTION BALLOTS                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR SEEKINS announced HB 46 to be up for consideration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE HAWKER,  sponsor of HB 46,  explained that an                                                               
item  that was  at  issue during  his  door-to-door campaign  was                                                               
concern about the  changes that were made during  last session to                                                               
our  primary balloting  process. One  has to  choose a  political                                                               
party  ballot in  order to  vote  in that  primary election.  The                                                               
concern that  was expressed  most often was  that people  did not                                                               
want to choose a party ballot,  but there were initiatives on the                                                               
ballot that  people wanted to  vote on. They were  very concerned                                                               
that  they  were  being  cornered  into  having  to  capriciously                                                               
declare a  preference in order  to vote on  an issue. He  came up                                                               
with an issues-only ballot for Alaska's voters to choose.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Another  element  this bill  responds  to  is  folks who  have  a                                                               
religious conviction and cannot  declare a party affiliation. One                                                               
thing this  bill does not  do is  prejudice any other  opinions a                                                               
legislator  might have  regarding  our balloting  process or  the                                                               
initiative  process.  The  bill  has  a  zero  fiscal  note.  The                                                               
American  Civil  Liberties  Union  and the  Republican  Party  of                                                               
Alaska both testified in favor of this bill.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:15 p.m.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT asked  if he  explained  to his  constituents                                                               
that  requesting  a particular  party  ballot  is different  than                                                               
declaring affiliation with a party.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER   replied  that  he  had   had  some  very                                                               
interesting  discussions  and  was   told  that  it  preserves  a                                                               
person's privacy  in not having  to make any expression  in order                                                               
to  participate  in  the  balloting   process.  He  felt  it  was                                                               
incumbent  upon them  to make  the balloting  process as  open as                                                               
possible to people of all beliefs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT asked  if he considered just  not allowing any                                                               
initiatives on a primary ballot.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER  replied that  he had considered  that, but                                                               
he found  a diversity of opinions  on that subject and  felt that                                                               
that would  create more  controversy and  would detract  from the                                                               
simple mission of his bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OGAN said  he didn't  think they  needed another  ballot                                                               
printed, but initiatives  should be on a  general election ballot                                                               
only.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Supporting this bill does not  - it is not my intention                                                                    
     that  it in  any  way  - causes  you  to prejudice  any                                                                    
     opinions you  may hold on  that subject  in particular,                                                                    
     whether  we  do or  do  not  have referendum  measures,                                                                    
     ballot issues,  appearing on a primary  ballot. I would                                                                    
     personally  be very  receptive to  discussing with  you                                                                    
     that issue as a separate piece of legislation, sir.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked about  an initiative  only ballot  in a                                                               
general election.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER replied he  doesn't envision this as making                                                               
any changes to the general election balloting.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS asked if the Division of Elections had an opinion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BREEZE  said they had no  policy position on this  issue, but                                                               
they would be able to implement the bill's language.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEEKINS said  one  suggestion was  to  have an  additional                                                               
ballot in  the primary and another  to limit these issues  to the                                                               
general election. He asked which would be easier.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BREEZE replied that is a policy call.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS asked  if either one of them would  be cheaper than                                                               
the other.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BREEZE replied  that she didn't know what the  costs would be                                                               
at this time.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS told Representative  Hawker that he appreciated his                                                               
bringing up the issue and that  he heard the same concerns. There                                                               
were  a  lot  of  upset   people,  especially  in  the  religious                                                               
community. He  said that  this issue was  raised by  the minority                                                               
and  brushed  aside  during  debate   on  the  closed  Republican                                                               
primary.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER appreciated  his observations,  but it  is                                                               
his true desire to have this  legislation stand on its own merits                                                               
and not  in light of any  other contentious issues that  may have                                                               
happened in previous sessions.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELLIS said he  understands Representative Hawker's point,                                                               
but they can't divorce themselves  from history. Some of the same                                                               
members here were there then and:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     It's undeniable  that we  are here  at this  point with                                                                    
     your  bill because  of  what  happened previously  with                                                                    
     closing the  primary - beyond what  the court required,                                                                    
     in my opinion.  So here we are. I'm  just saying you've                                                                    
     got  to  convince people  who  didn't  care about  this                                                                    
     concern, the  religious folks and the  folks who didn't                                                                    
     want  to declare  - you've  got to  convince those  and                                                                    
     many of those same folks  are still here. They're going                                                                    
     to vote on  your bill, I hope, in  the affirmative, but                                                                    
     you've   got  to   change  their   minds  that   you're                                                                    
     representing  the  legitimate  interests...I  wish  you                                                                    
     luck.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked Ms. Breeze  how many times in  the last                                                               
20 years initiatives have shown up on primary ballots.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BREEZE  replied hardly at all.  "This last one was  the first                                                               
time it's  happened since I've  been with the division,  which is                                                               
about seven years."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OGAN  said he thought  this was  bad policy and  asked if                                                               
the statutes were clear on what  election an issue can show up on                                                               
or do they specifically have to ban it.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BREEZE  responded that  it  is  a  matter  of timing.  If  a                                                               
petition is submitted  the day the Legislature  convenes, it will                                                               
appear on the  general election ballot. If it  appears at another                                                               
time, because of timing, it  could appear on the primary election                                                               
ballot  and that's  what  happened this  time.  Most people  that                                                               
submit  petitions  would  prefer  to have  them  on  the  general                                                               
election ballot  because voter  turn out  is larger.  That didn't                                                               
happen  with  this  particular  initiative.  She  said  that  the                                                               
division  was bombarded  with questions  from  people who  didn't                                                               
have the  chance to vote on  a separate ballot because  more than                                                               
half of the state's voters are not registered with a party.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  asked what  the division's  official response                                                               
was.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BREEZE replied  the  people  were told  they  would have  to                                                               
choose a ballot; that was the  law and the division was following                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT asked  if she clarified that  they didn't have                                                               
to vote for the party candidate.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BREEZE said yes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OGAN  said that  having to  select a  ballot is  an issue                                                               
that is  ripe for litigation, based  on having to be  a member of                                                               
the  party to  vote. He  understands Senator  Therriault's point,                                                               
but he  didn't think  the average  public is  that sophisticated.                                                               
People want to vote on issues  and he thought that there might be                                                               
a  little  of  denying  people's   perceived  right  to  vote  on                                                               
something, because  they have to pick  a party ballot to  vote on                                                               
an initiative that's on the primary.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BREEZE said that it was  not appropriate for her to share her                                                               
thoughts  and  didn't want  her  answers  to be  misleading.  She                                                               
reiterated that they got a lot of phone calls and people asked                                                                  
if they had to vote a certain way.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT said he didn't think there was a                                                                             
constitutional problem, because they didn't bar access to the                                                                   
ballot by having voters select a party.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS noted there were no further comments and said that                                                                
they would hold the bill.                                                                                                       

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